Hello, Heron. Welcome to the board. If you like role playing fun, you might enjoy joining us in the entertainment section for The Church of Toast thread. It's turning out to be rather amusing. I think we have some talented writers and humorists at JWD. Anyway, welcome and hope to hear from you.
Madame Quixote
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Please say hello to my wife.
by nicolaou ini've been posting here for quite a long time, so long in fact that it just doesn't feel right that my wife isn't a part of it.
earlier today i created an account for her with the username heron, she'll know why.
i'm not sure if my wife will ever post here but i would feel much more comfortable knowing she is aware that i do.. this is the one post i am going to ask her to read.. so, i'd really appreciate it if you could say hello to my lovely wife.
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How do I respond and not lose my cool?
by Rayvin inmy 8 yr old daughter visits her bio-dad and step-mom every other weekend.
we haven't already noticed that she tends to play both sides by not giving full or correct information to us.
anyway.. my daughter comes back on sunday night and tells me how she read a book about taking care of her body and that she needs to take a bath every night instead of every other night unless excessive activity then every night.
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Madame Quixote
Okay, since when do most 8-year-olds need to know how to insert a tampon? Isn't that something for 11-to-12-year-olds? Personally, I'd wonder whether or not the father had some kind of bizarre interests in providing a book like that to a child so young.
When you address the discussion about the book, he deflects, attacks and denies that it's important or significant.
Then, counter-attack: 'the rest of the email's not worth responding to' from you. But it IS worth responding to, or you wouldn't have shared it here, right?
If you're going to communicate with each other in that fashion, I don't know what to say. Some things you BOTH might need to be a little less argumentative about.
Personally, I think the haircut issue and the reading level issue are far less a concern than the first point I brought out, which everyone else politely ignored. Knowing about one's period is one thing; being instructed how to insert things into one's vagina at age 8 is quite another.
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Daughter wants JW grandpa (shunning us) to help her get a car . . .
by Madame Quixote insome time back, my daughter, (a senior in high school), and i were car window-shopping for her.
she suggested that she ought to ask grandpa - (a jw who is shunning us) - to help her buy a car.
i had actually suggested it a long, long time ago when i was still sometimes in contact with the jw family, but my feelings in the matter (of contact with jw family) changed last year, and i've decided it is better for my mental and emotional well-being to discontinue my efforts at "keeping the lines of communication open" with the jw family because of their shunning policies and evangelism.
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Madame Quixote
Thanks, y'all. I just started working on college apps for her and on getting her lined up to take the SATs, after sitting up all night last night, crying because she casually told me she's going to move to Tennessee after she graduates to live with her boyfriend and some of his boyfriends. I didn't have a shitfit or anything, but was absolutely despondent when that piece of shit for news started sinking in an hour or two later at bedtime . . .
Now, I do want her to live her life and be happy, and I do like her boyfriend . . . BUT, one needs a few things before one moves out of state . . . like a job, some money, a car, and hopefully, an education, etc.
I looked up the place she said she wants to go - Kingsport, TN: No in-state tuition,needles to say, no public transit, no colleges in the town, except 2 beauty schools. There are other schools nearby,(UT & ETSU), but no public transit to get there . . . this kid's not thinking about anything but being with her boyfriend, playing video games and talking online.
If she keeps dropping all this off-hand shit on me, I'm going to have a little breakdown; I missed work today because of her nonsense upsetting me so badly last night; but, I spent my time well, researching her silly ideas and took her and her boyfriend out to dinner tonight. We talked a bit about their situation and other options for daughter and him.
I also sent a nice long email with links to the different websites and got a couple of online college apps done, one locally and one at the other end ot the state, close to where her boyfriend's talking about moving to.
Hopefully, they will do something sensible with all my hard work and headache. Gawd. Now I don't even want to think about the car thing! LOL
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Please say hello to Faded4SoFar...
by AuldSoul in...an old friend of mine that made his way here..
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Madame Quixote
Welcome, Fadedsofar!
If you still have to sit through those horrible meetings, you could bring your ipod, (listen to music & podcasts), and tell the brothers and sisters it's your hearing aid.Hmm. I might just get reinstated.
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Question, What will happen to the earth and the Animals?
by unbaptized inquestion, if everyone who professes to be christian are going to heaven to rule as priest with jesus, who will be our subjects on earth?
can someone pleasee shed some light on this subject..
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Madame Quixote
"Trust In Jehovah." He will probably move us all to another galaxy (or something) in a great galactic battlestar capable of defeating Satan and Darth Vader, before the earth is burned up by the Sun, Moshe. It will probably be like a great Noah's Ark in outer space and Jehovah's chosen people will be the first ones in existence to live forever, with God and Jesus and the 144K all smiling up from 7th Heaven at the chosen ones.
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My old KH had a personal visit from me today!
by moshe ini was on business in the area of my old congregation ( i live out of state)- the one i first got baptized in back in 1973. they were just getting started on their discussion before service- it was 9:03 am and i just impulsively turned into the parking lot and decided to pay them a surprise visit.
i just walked into the kh and looked at them for 30 seconds.
i didn't recognize anyone and finally they asked me what i wanted.
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Kewel! What stones you've got! I wudda' been shakin' in my boots!
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Have you recovered financially since leaving the Tower?
by lovelylil inremember how many families (maybe even yours) struggled with money issues while being a jdub?
i remember lots of families under stress due to being jdubs.
you are always told by the tower not to work overtime if it conflicts with the meetings and not to go for higher education, for the same reason.
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Well, yes, now that I am free to work 7 days a week, I will be making a lot more. I was just offered a "new" part-time position with some current client/friends as a personal assistant/housekeeper. (Hoping to get out of the housecleaning biz altogether, soon).
Hopefully, I won't lose my mind. If I keep two of the clients I was considering dropping, I'll be able to fix my car and get my daughter a new (used) car when she graduates from high school in the spring. (It will also keep us from having to borrow money from my jw parents who are shunning me). JWism did not permit that sort of "excess" - working overtime to improve life in the here and now - especially if one needed to work on a Sunday, as I will be doing. Additionally, as a Witless, I would be counseled that my Saturday's field service should not be sacrificed for such worldly pursuits as full-time work.
Such foolishness! JWs are much too preoccupied with controlling each other and preaching the "good news" of Armageddon. The JWs I grew up with would certainly not approve of my habit of collecting - and actually reading -"worldly" books. That habit can only be maintained with a good, steady income, especially if one has taken to buying science books. (Dang, they're pricey!) It also requires a bit of time to read them - time I ain't spendin' at no stinkin' meetin's or studying foolish Watchtower books!
When my daughter goes to college, I will likely do the same and get my four-year degree; I settled for an Associates, basically a useless degree - (when it's in Liberal Arts) - as far as the world of work goes. If I were still a Witless, I probably would never have even gotten an associate's degree; if I did manage to do so, they would expect me to settle for that, bemoaning this unfair, "old system of things," instead of encouraging me to improve my situation with more education (or work). This is a very sad thing, especially for young women lacking family support in the bOrg, although it does seem to be changing a little.
Although my life is challenging and sometimes exhausting, I wouldn't trade one bad day as a non-believer for 1000 good days as a Witless! After all, I have too many good, worldly books to buy and read.
I might not be rich, but I can afford to do what I like. I live life on life's terms, not in some cut and paste Watchtower bullsh*t fantasy/dreamworld.
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Am I right here, or just Sarcastic...
by Tuesday inso my mom might be having an operation shortly, so i asked her about the blood card.
i said that since i was the closest relative that would at least understand her beliefs and follow them (no other relative in the area would allow her to not take blood) i said that i understood there was a new blood card with the various incraments and particles of blood that will be allowed.
she said there was and she had the card filled out, which i took a look at it and everything was checked off.
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Madame Quixote
Associated Jehovah's Witnesses For Reform on Blood has some very detailed, technical info on the subject, if you have not checked it out already:
Best wishes to you and your mother.
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I suppose I should stop lurking,
by SacrificialLoon inand introduce myself.
i was raised in "the truth", and for the longest time it was all i knew.
i spent my childhood going through all the things that other witness children went through; not celebrating holidays, not standing up and reciting the pledge of allegiance, not going to school events, or associating with "worldly" children much.
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Madame Quixote
"Sacrificial Loon" is a wonderful screen name! Welcome. I don't know if you think it's funny, but I did laugh out loud at your sn! Congrats on getting on board here!
If you still feel a little "funny" about being away from the Witlesses, it is probably just a matter of your awareness that you're getting further and further away, little by little, from familiar pain.
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Further incite on Dawkin's The God Delusion
by Abandoned ini started a thread after i finished the first chapter of this book entitled something like, i'm an atheist.
i finished chapter three and i have to backtrack a bit, but i also feel the need to explain why since i was so vocal.. first, let me say that i think everyon should read the first two chapters of the god delusion by richard dawkins.
he brings up some very important points about religion and about science's place in our world.
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Madame Quixote
At first, as I started reading the thread, Abandonded, I thought you might be reading a different version of The God Delusion than I am reading; Einstein was definitely an atheist who spoke poetically and metaphorically of "God" in the way that most atheists - myself included - do. It seemed to me that Dawkins has belaboured that point and made it quite clear in The God Delusion. Unfortunately, such poetry as Einstein and other scientist use merely confuses those of us not well-schooled in logic or science, especially in physics and evolution. When leading scientists speakof God, they usually and often mistankenly assume that one understands"God" to be whatever scientific force underlies the physics of the universe, not God as a person or intelligence, but as an underlying "theory of everything" that we are on the verge of explaining and understanding. The point that Dawkins makes in his first two chapters is that scientists have overestimated the ability of lay people to make this distinction. I think he justifiably chides scientists and the educational community for making these mistakes.
For quite some time, I've considered myself an atheist - mostly as an intuitive response to the emotionalism of illogical religiosity, like so-called "intelligent design." I have now begun to immerse myself in scientific writing and research, gaining a better understanding of evolutionary theory, which is accepted as fact among real scientists, in the same way that germ theory is accepted as fact amongst most of the rest of the slightly-educated people on the planet. This is another point that Dawkins makes clear in his writing. I have found that reading a bit of evolutionary theory (from Dawkins' peers) has helped me follow along with the points Dawkins is making in The God Delusion.
Last year, I started out my trek into the known universe, reading Douglas Adams, who was very gifted in his approach. The Salmon Of Doubt was a great intro (to atheistic thought) from a logical, critical, philosophically amusing perspective; so are all the rest of his fiction books. I have yet to obtain a copy of Last Chance To See, the work he was most proud of and which did not obtain the popular success of his other entertainment works.
I started reading these books last night and find them very informative and accessible:
Intelligent Thought: Science Versus The Intelligent Design Movement, ed., John Brockman. Contributors include: Psychologist Steven Pinker, Evolutionary Biologist Richard Dawkins, Philosopher Daniel C. Dennet, Physicist Lisa Randall, Evolutionary Psychologist Marc D. Hauser, and Paleontologist Tim D. White, among others. ( I have read a little of John Brockman and he makes some cogent arguments).
River Out Of Eden: A Darwinian View Of Life (good writing, very informative) by Richard Dawkins.
The Universe In A Nutshell and A Brief History Of Time by Steven Hawking (nice pictures and fabulous writing).
25 Big Ideas: The Science That's Changing Our World by Robert Matthews. (It's a little text-booky, but seems to be a nice overview).
Good luck in your explorations!